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:The fact that this scenario is still lingering right now is the fact that Roserade is a Generation IV Pokémon.  The first two generations, as well as a select few others who had slight coloration differences, were able to undergo a HeartGold/SoulSilver update to their slot B sprites (this time including all alternate colorations and gender differences included), and these usually followed on the heels of a slot A upload based on the same ripper (there were primarily two sources used whose full names I dare not utter lest I get in trouble with the Bulbapedia editor-in-chief; one starts with an S, the other with a V).  Since Roserade didn't have any sprite alterations in HeartGold/SoulSilver, the ripper difference scenario is still in place because there wasn't new spritework to update the slot B sprite with.  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 00:49, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
:The fact that this scenario is still lingering right now is the fact that Roserade is a Generation IV Pokémon.  The first two generations, as well as a select few others who had slight coloration differences, were able to undergo a HeartGold/SoulSilver update to their slot B sprites (this time including all alternate colorations and gender differences included), and these usually followed on the heels of a slot A upload based on the same ripper (there were primarily two sources used whose full names I dare not utter lest I get in trouble with the Bulbapedia editor-in-chief; one starts with an S, the other with a V).  Since Roserade didn't have any sprite alterations in HeartGold/SoulSilver, the ripper difference scenario is still in place because there wasn't new spritework to update the slot B sprite with.  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 00:49, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you for clearing that up for me. I needed to know the reason behind this. However, I did realize that while uploading duplicates, there is a notification that cautions me whether or not I'd still like to upload that file. For that, I don't think the reasoning behind the "ripper A, slot A is different from ripper B, slot B" idea is accurate. There are different uploaders for [[:File:003 f.png|this]] and [[:File:Spr 4h 003 f.png|this]] for instance, but they are registered as identical.
::I'd like to also point out that this may be the reason behind different sprites for normal-colored Pokémon, but the same for shiny-colored ones. One instance is with Mareep. The normal sprites for it are different (compare [[:File:Spr 4d 179.png|this]] and [[:File:Spr 4p 179.png|this]]), however, the shiny sprites are the same. Might this be a result of what you're saying then? [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#E1E1E1"><sup>'''''ht'''''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#B69E00"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 01:39, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

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Explain something to me: why is this not the same sprite as this? If there is no reason, then I will have to conclude that Spr 4h 407 m.png is different from Spr 4p 407 m.png. ht14 22:07, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Not all uploads of a sprite come from the same source, you know. Sprite rippers don't all use the exact same methods. The same sprite placed at the "Spr 4? ###.png" (we'll call this slot A) position by unnamed ripper A and a sprite placed at the "###.png" (we'll call this slot B) by unnamed ripper B wouldn't be seen by the system as the exact same file due to minimal differences in how the sprite rippers rip the sprites. Such differences between slot A and slot B are especially apparent in those with current game sprites of Generation III or Generation IV Pokémon that may have had uploads to slot A and slot B at different times. They're more common with the normal coloration, and from there with the male gender differences, primarily because some people give preferential treatment to normal-color male sprites and neglect the rest. Trust me, there were points during the Platinum update (back when we didn't have the alternate-coloration current game sprites, and the current game sprites fro the female gender differences wound up neglected for quite a time), where the only spritework for a Pokémon that got updated was the slot B sprite, without any upload to slot A at all; such treatment may have been prone to a "ripper A, slot A"/"ripper B, slot B" scenario.
In this instance, we have a "ripper A, slot A"/"ripper B, slot B" scenario on our hands. Slot B was initially Platinum-updated to the female gender difference instead of the male; however, the correct slot B for a female gender difference in this case was 407 f.png. When Kenji-girl rectified this mishap, the gender difference correction was done with a sprite from a different source rather than a simple reupload of the slot A sprite. That's the reason slot A and slot B in this case are not showing up as duplicates of one another; they came from different rippers.
The fact that this scenario is still lingering right now is the fact that Roserade is a Generation IV Pokémon. The first two generations, as well as a select few others who had slight coloration differences, were able to undergo a HeartGold/SoulSilver update to their slot B sprites (this time including all alternate colorations and gender differences included), and these usually followed on the heels of a slot A upload based on the same ripper (there were primarily two sources used whose full names I dare not utter lest I get in trouble with the Bulbapedia editor-in-chief; one starts with an S, the other with a V). Since Roserade didn't have any sprite alterations in HeartGold/SoulSilver, the ripper difference scenario is still in place because there wasn't new spritework to update the slot B sprite with. --Shiningpikablu252 00:49, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for clearing that up for me. I needed to know the reason behind this. However, I did realize that while uploading duplicates, there is a notification that cautions me whether or not I'd still like to upload that file. For that, I don't think the reasoning behind the "ripper A, slot A is different from ripper B, slot B" idea is accurate. There are different uploaders for this and this for instance, but they are registered as identical.
I'd like to also point out that this may be the reason behind different sprites for normal-colored Pokémon, but the same for shiny-colored ones. One instance is with Mareep. The normal sprites for it are different (compare this and this), however, the shiny sprites are the same. Might this be a result of what you're saying then? ht14 01:39, 29 December 2009 (UTC)